Recently on “Wait, Is This a night out together?” we are joined by Autostraddle President and

L Word

expert
Riese Bernard
to talk about: The Chart. You heard that right! This episode is all about lesbian interconnectivity — connecting with pals’ exes, buddies connecting with your exes, and the society created by all those things drama.

Come for any news, remain the psychological processing. And before that enjoy a-game that tests Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally speaking wouldn’t normally.)

Thanks a lot for all the great feedback after the premier! When you haven’t but give consideration to giving us a rating or review!

SHOW RECORDS

+ Five years ago Riese developed an
Old Hollywood data
that’s the intersection of all of the my interests.

+ Listed Here Is
the article
I reference where We mention starting up using my roommates.

+ My personal crush with the few days Mj Rodriguez released a music video for her tune
“Something to state”
!

+ As anyone who has just viewed a handful of episodes of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush in the week C.C. Babcock had been stunning if you ask me with regards to ended up she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina tells me they basically still are.)

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Drew:

I’d end up being very good with it present. I’d never add some other person without their particular permission. But the idea of each time somebody was actually like, “concur that you are connected with me,” I’d be like, “Yeah, this is the life I lived. I don’t mind.” Would be that strange? Is that difficulty?

Christina:

No, because if I happened to ben’t, I would feel bad not. I would personally resemble, “hold off, I’m not sleeping?”

Theme tune plays

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.

Drew:

And thank you for visiting

Wait, Is This A Date?

Christina:


Wait, Is It A Night Out Together?

is an Autostraddle podcast inquiring the top questions. First of all, could it possibly be a romantic date? What exactly are times? Who will be dates? Can we like dates? These represent the type concerns that we address on this here very pro and beautiful podcast.

Drew:

My name is Drew Gregory. I’m a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

My name is Christina Tucker. I’m additionally an author at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer on the internet. I am getting better at explaining myself as a writer and, famously, a lesbian. That’s us. Which is who we’re.

Drew:

Yeah. And therefore our very own primary topic this week is The Chart.

Christina:

I simply thought it required a sting. I am not sure. That believed actually dramatic, but i believe it required it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, please, please. Thank you, thank you. No, no, no. The best level of drama.

Christina:

Thank-you.

Drew:

Yeah. So we’re writing about lesbian interconnectivity.

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Christina:

I like that phrase given that it feels like you should resume the lesbians. It may sound just like the web connection isn’t really functioning.

Drew:

Yes. It’s very higher level, extremely innovative, additionally has been around since there has been lesbians, I think.

Christina:

Yeah. I believe students will say once they discovered initial lesbian fossils, they discovered a data alongside of these carved in to the sand. And I believe’s exactly what that film concerns, proper? It’s about the data? That motion picture with Kate Winslet in addition to mud fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that’s what it’s about.

Drew:

If only

Ammonite

involved cave females. I’d see that lesbian flick.

Christina:

Well, as I haven’t seen it, i’ll fearlessly claim that it was. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Because it’s like we’ve got plenty lesbian duration parts, but we have now never eliminated back that much. And that I think it’s time we perform.

Christina:

Let’s only hold having it further back in its history.

Drew:

Before we obtain to our primary subject, you’re nonetheless observing united states. And I thought that it would be fun to play a-game where you guys could really get acquainted with Christina. Thus all of our icebreaker for this few days is actually some online game that I name “Would U-Haul.”

Christina:

I’m, once more, very stressed about any of it. This could just be ways I come to the video game. This could be my video game mindset, a little high key, some stressed. Which is ok. All of us are understanding.

Drew:

I do believe which is great. I think that allow you to more susceptible, maybe.

Christina:

Among the best feelings.

Drew:

Only a terror, simply a severe horror. So the method in which “Would U-Haul” really works is actually i will explain a scenario. Why don’t we call it Christina enthusiast fiction. And I also’m probably pause after every little section getting love, “Okay, Christina, i am aware which you have never resided with someone, do not want to live with somebody. But under these circumstances, would U-Haul?”

Christina:

And I also will both state yes or we’ll say, “I’m prepared.”

Drew:

If you don’t — well, we will see here. But i am excited. I believe I’ve maybe damaged the rule.

Christina:

You cracked the code? I am thrilled.

Drew:

Let’s observe long this takes. Of course, if you won’t ever do, i believe you victory? I am not sure just how you’ll find winners here.

Christina:

I am not sure that there exists winners into the game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I’m not sure in the event that you’ll accept that following this. And so I’m getting heading.

Christina:

Reasonable enough.

Drew:

Okay. So, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at your friend’s wedding ceremony. In spite of the multitude of romcoms you absorbed, you did maybe not go to this wedding ceremony considering you would fulfill any person because, well, this is not a romcom. Here is the real and typical lifetime of Christina Grace Tucker. You adopt your own assigned chair and therefore are glancing at the phone whenever you recognize a female at your table wants at you. She introduces herself as the friend’s previous baby-sitter. She is remained a buddy of the family, but she doesn’t truly know any individual there. She appears like mid-forties and contains a striking angular face. You start chatting. She offers to provide a drink. So when she compares, you realize she’s six feet large, 6′ 3″ in heels. You know what? I’m only probably hold on there and be love, at this point, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I am captivated. I am intrigued because i would get set at the wedding. But at this point I’m not U-Hauling anywhere.

Drew:

Cool. That’s entirely fair. Completely fair. Okay. Which means you spend the whole marriage observing the other person. There’s simply an instantaneous spark and immediate chemistry. And indeed, you are doing hook-up and the intercourse is remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

So this wedding was in Northern Ca. And so you both extend the stays for three times to screw and explore and consume at restaurants and shag. And you offer to split the cost of the now mutual place, but she laughs you down and is similar, “Obviously perhaps not, honey.” Therefore, the then three days are magic. You really feel your own walls tumbling straight down. You are slipping quicker than you ever have. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Therefore simply for clarity’s sake, i am having a difficult time imagining some sort of where I got three shock times off of try to hang out with one i really do not know. That seems bonkers. However, if i did so, good-for me. But i am not really U-Hauling at this stage. It’s going to be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. That is great. You simply came across. I have it. I have it. Okay.

Christina:

Thanks a lot so much.

Drew:

So she comes back to ny and you also go back to Philadelphia.

Christina:

That’s where We live.

Drew:

And you are texting continuously. This is where your home is as well as being where this woman lives. And you’re texting continuously and you also see one another multiple times a month. She actually is extremely active with her task, but she’s quick to buy you a train pass to help you appear see their and stay at the woman stunning brownstone in Fort Greene. Right after which half a year pass. Plus one evening when you’re off to supper, she asks one move in along with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And relocate to Ny? Really don’t really like New York. No, I’m not relocating during the half a year tag. I’m not performing that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, completely, completely. Wow. Okay. And that means you keep online dating long distance. She understands that you need some time she is prepared to watch for you. Even more months move. It’s now already been over a-year. The property manager lets you know that they’re offering your house to a developer who’s setting up condos, so you can not restore it. You will need to discover another spot. Your own today sweetheart lets you know that no stress, but her present nonetheless stands. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. At this time, i’d U-Haul for a few reasons.

Drew:

Yay! Ok. Please inform us.

Christina:

Mostly, in a world where my personal property owner offered my house to develop it, my personal property manager is now my personal companion, with the intention that seems like anything went incorrect inside our friendship. And I must merely keep Philadelphia anyhow. While I have to maneuver in with my gf over here, that seems great. That’s fine. Entirely good. But yeah, i believe I might need an external force like a mean landlord.

Drew:

That is thus — okay. I did think that you’ll must need construction to have truth be told there, thus I’m happy I realized that.

Christina:

Yeah. That is exactly what has got to eventually myself very first.

Drew:

Really, I’m grateful to understand what it takes. So theoretically, if perhaps you weren’t kicked out, how much cash longer?

Christina:

Truly, that could went on for a long period. Philly and New York aren’t even that not even close to one another. I obtained space over right here. We’re moving forward and backward. We are having good times. I possibly could have permit that roll for a long time until i suppose Shoshana can become the worst person I know.

Drew:

I did not know Shoshana had home. Well, there you are going.

Christina:

There we go. Wow, that was thrilling.

Drew:

Well, thank you for playing.

Christina:

I’m stressed, become clear.

Drew:

And I also’m pleased that i understand… possibly if you should be previously, so if anyone’s ever online dating you and wants one relocate, possibly your own girl told Shoshana to offer the house in the interest of your connection.

Christina:

Honestly the fastest method — somebody would just have to talk to Shoshana and get love, “Just kick the girl .” Then she’d end up like, “Yeah, sure. Definitely.” That would be how it occurred, even if she failed to promote the home. Somebody would just be like, “Could you just kick her out thus she will only overcome it and move in with me?” And she would say yes. Double she’d accomplish that. That is what friendship is.

Drew:

I like that.

Christina:

Yeah, which is truly stunning.

Drew:

Really, i’m like we discovered much in regards to you.

Christina:

Many Thanks. I’m like I discovered a whole lot about myself personally, as well. Threat of homelessness is really the thing that keeps me transferring any situation, i suppose. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that’s fantastic.

Christina:

That was really thrilling. I am equally happy to maneuver into the primary part because i do believe discussing lesbian connectivity using this visitor, because of this special guest, In my opinion it will be remarkable, Drew. Exactly how could you be experiencing?

Drew:

I am so excited. That is a specialist. And by that, I mean an

L Term

expert, but a small amount of a professional inside subject accessible.

Christina:

In my opinion two things are true, my buddy. I believe a couple of things may be true indeed. Will we wanna present our visitor or do we want the visitor introducing on their own?

Drew:

I’d love our visitor to introduce by herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I am going to claim that our very own guest could be the one and only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, speak.

Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. Which is unusual to-be the visitor!

Christina:

Yeah, it’s.

Riese:

I experienced not to state something. I didn’t also do it. Used to do say circumstances. I got to stay here calmly.

Christina:

And you also had been actually courageous. Plus confronts had been valued.

Riese:

Many thanks really.

Christina:

Though this can be obviously an audio average, I want all of our listeners to know that Riese had been producing some good impulse confronts during “Would U-Haul.”

Riese:

Absolutely numerous ways become heard. Guess what happens i am talking about? That’s what I always say. I’m the President of Autostraddle.com. And I also’m in addition on an undefeated kickball team. And that is myself. I’ve a puppy named Carol. And I also have actually outdated folks.

Christina:

Congrats on kickball!

Riese:

Many thanks. I am a part of people.

Christina:

Great. Adoring that. That’s great to create to the, this here matchmaking podcast. That is great.

Riese:

Yeah. In my opinion that… will there be anything else?

Drew:

No, In my opinion which is fantastic, Riese.

Christina:

Anything you wish to share.

Riese:

I really like raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and swimming pools.

Christina:

As opposed to…

Riese:

You Understand when someone goes like…

Drew:

Its like as soon as you hit. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those are terrible, so I simply just exhausted all of them from my personal brain.

Riese:

Yeah. That is certainly all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Really, I straight away considered you for this subject.

Christina:

That’s true.

Drew:

Because to begin with, demonstrably, queer females and non-binary folks in lesbian community are like, I’m not sure, having sexual intercourse with people whom their friends have obtained gender with since well before

The L Keyword

ended up being previously a sequence. But i actually do feel just like

The L Term

solidified a particular social concept of the chart with Alice Pieszecki. Therefore I decided you’d have plenty of understanding of this subject.

Riese:

It is correct. Two of the article writers, I would like to state, of

The L Word

had this real chart of these and their friends they were attracting about wall surface or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, was actually one among these. She spoke to us about it, that they had built this. Because clearly, everyone else for the reason that publisher’s space had banged people for the publisher — you realize, and also the prolonged internet of these generation of lesbians in Los Angeles. And in addition they watched can they certainly were like, “Let’s place it from inside the tv show.” And some of them are on the chart. Like, some of the people just who … like, real men and women are throughout the information as a tale.

Christina:

That is incredible. That is the way you learn you’ve made it.

Riese:

Is not that sexy?

Christina:

That might be fascinating for me.

Riese:

Therefore when you yourself haven’t viewed

The L Word,

first of all, congrats. Second of all, it gets the centerpiece of a single your direct personality, Alice’s, apartment. She has almost everything over the woman wall. And it also could be the name of an internet site they started known as ourchart.com that flopped. And the idea … and it’s really when you look at the pilot, I think. From inside the very first occurrence, Alice starts speaing frankly about how everybody’s linked, because every person’s hooked up because of this person. And I can hook up you, as if you’re most likely at the most two degrees away from myself. Hence was actually genuine. Like, even with Dana, who had limited experience because she was a closeted football player, they however could actually hook up her. That is certainly real world because it’s correct.

Christina:

That’s society. Yeah. That’s what culture appears to be.

Riese:

That is society. That is queer society immediately. And now everybody can make their very own maps.

Christina:

Yeah. To make certain that was going to end up being my personal next concern, had been have either of you made a chart? Because I do not imagine i’ve, I am also kind of now thinking like, that which was this just last year sitting inside my home for easily don’t create a chart? Like, that which was the purpose of that, really?

Riese:

I think i have accomplished it in my diary, in the same way like … Because I like, I don’t know, arranging details, I guess, as a thought physical exercise.

Christina:

Yeah, In my opinion which is also why i’m amazed that We haven’t completed it. I love the thought of categorizing circumstances.

Riese:

Correct. Yeah. Because it’s interesting. I’m not sure exactly why it really is therefore fascinating, however it is. It’s interesting becoming love, wow, all of these men and women, they are connected. It’s untamed.

Drew:

About show, as soon as ourchart.com is designed, obtained an actual information that folks can truly add stuff. And I feel like something you joked in regards to on

To L and Straight Back,

nowadays folks state all the time is much like, when this existed in an actual method, no body would put their names onto it, no-one would feel at ease putting their labels onto it.

Riese:

You’ll.

Drew:

I would personally. I’d be extremely fine with-it current. I’d never ever include another person without their own permission. But the thought of like, every time some body had been like, “concur that you may be connected with me,” I would end up like, “Yeah, oahu is the existence I’ve lived. I don’t mind.” Is the fact that unusual? Is difficulty?

Christina:

No, since if I wasn’t, I would feel poor not being … i might be like, “Wait, I am not on it? Like, i am sorry, just what?” No, that could really send me into lighting moral anxiety about whom i’m as one, what I’m doing. Are I interesting? Perform people {like